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. >> that saved the money and saved the environment. >> forget just the environment get tired of hefing that argume. on abc they say you should eat leaner beef worry about your health. stuff like that. when you eat the beef it keeps that away from it, too. >> not eat 5,000 pounds a day. >> they said the term pink slime 178 times either on their broadcast or -- >> then they started taking it back. >> they started out classic journalism. it's a term commonly used. then of course what you find is no it's not. >> they are getting used to prior to that. what's the agenda? >> agenda is always an activist pushing against me against food in general. this comes from oo movie society comes from a movie this comes from food put out by media. a lot of other activist movies. >> we are so proud of the process. amaze to go look at. they look that into this. >> they laid off 700 american workers. >> and the economic down is far worse than that. >> in 20-years there hasn't been a single incident of anybody being hurt by what they called pink slime and what the industry calls it is lean beef trimmings. >
. >> that saved the money and saved the environment. >> forget just the environment get tired of hefing that argume. on abc they say you should eat leaner beef worry about your health. stuff like that. when you eat the beef it keeps that away from it, too. >> not eat 5,000 pounds a day. >> they said the term pink slime 178 times either on their broadcast or -- >> then they started taking it back. >> they started out classic journalism. it's a term commonly...
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that saved money and the environment. >> and not only that, tired of hearing that argument. everybody, abc constantly, eat a leaner beef, worry about your health. so when we tried to eat it did take that away as well. john: not using it wastes 5,000 cows a day. >> they said the term pink slime 178 times either on their broadcast or with jim antelope. john: then they started taking it back. >> they started out. this is classic. they said, a term commonly used. then, of course, what you find is it is not. "washington post," new york times, one or two times at most that they had ever used it prior to that. john: what is the agenda? >> well, always the activists who are pushing against the food in general. what happened was this comes from a movie. a lot of the badthings in society come from movies. shooting to put out by participant media so there were so proud of this process just amazing to look at. thee let these people and the videotape. u don't dare let anybody videotape anything because they demonized. john: the company closed three out of four plants, laid-off workers. >
that saved money and the environment. >> and not only that, tired of hearing that argument. everybody, abc constantly, eat a leaner beef, worry about your health. so when we tried to eat it did take that away as well. john: not using it wastes 5,000 cows a day. >> they said the term pink slime 178 times either on their broadcast or with jim antelope. john: then they started taking it back. >> they started out. this is classic. they said, a term commonly used. then, of course,...
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so, are you worried that environment makes things so dicey that no deal is done and if it is done, it it is a bad d. >>guest: i am worried. the so-called fiscal cliff was put in law because it was stuff that would be so unacceptable congress would never let it happen, enormous tax increases, grotesque cuts in spending but here we, it is in the law. congress does nothing which congress is good at doing and go over the cliff and some want to see that happen because then the crisis will generate the kind of bipartisan agreement we need but that is irresponsible. >>neil: it is looking more likely. then who picks up the pieces? >>guest: the country suffers. i don't think anyone gains politically. you know that almost everyone here in both parties will tell you if you talk to them privately, this ends with entitlement reform. not cutting programs like medicare but slowing down the growth in the programs because they are the big drivers of the deficit and raising more out of the revenue, out of the tax system. whether you call iterates or reform over whatever you call it, and each those touc
so, are you worried that environment makes things so dicey that no deal is done and if it is done, it it is a bad d. >>guest: i am worried. the so-called fiscal cliff was put in law because it was stuff that would be so unacceptable congress would never let it happen, enormous tax increases, grotesque cuts in spending but here we, it is in the law. congress does nothing which congress is good at doing and go over the cliff and some want to see that happen because then the crisis will...
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what might that environment look like? >> i don't think that's what happens. we're not talking about taking tax rates from 35 to 50 or 60. we're talking a few percentage points. so it's uncertainty, well do i get my deductions, do i pay a hayer rate? what is my mix and until then i sit on my hands. bringing up the again the uncertainty factor. i think we get to a point where we get some sort of compromise around these things. we'll get back through a muddle through economy. not a great one but good enough one. david: the president's comments of last year notwithstanding where he was for lowering rates. rates go up in one way, shape or form. rather than spending money in the stock market where people get taxed more they think of more direct investment? more vehicles that avoid the stock market entirely and get cash directly to the companies? >> that could happen and would be good for the economy which in a perverse way would be good for the stock market as well if you see my logic. getting people to move off the dime. to say i don't need this hoard of cash fran
what might that environment look like? >> i don't think that's what happens. we're not talking about taking tax rates from 35 to 50 or 60. we're talking a few percentage points. so it's uncertainty, well do i get my deductions, do i pay a hayer rate? what is my mix and until then i sit on my hands. bringing up the again the uncertainty factor. i think we get to a point where we get some sort of compromise around these things. we'll get back through a muddle through economy. not a great...
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competitive environment is different. in fact more favorable. so i think when you net all that out there's growth opportunities. >> of course in the last conference call you talked about the best companies in your industry generate as much as $450 million of cash flow or ev ebita. is it reasonable to expect you could get to that high a number? >> you don't have to if you create value. $450,000 per home past her year of ebita coming out of the best cable operators and charter is actually at the lowest end of that scale. so the up-front or up side that we have is bigger than anyone else's. but i think the whole industry has room to grow so i don't -- >> you still think the industry -- even though video subs are not growing anymore. zp video subs are not growing but they're stabilizing. data and voice is growing and i think video can grow again. the industry was stuck in an analog world and had to make a transition and it is not fully complete yet. but as these cable companies become all digital, a lot of spectrum is freed up so the capacity of the
competitive environment is different. in fact more favorable. so i think when you net all that out there's growth opportunities. >> of course in the last conference call you talked about the best companies in your industry generate as much as $450 million of cash flow or ev ebita. is it reasonable to expect you could get to that high a number? >> you don't have to if you create value. $450,000 per home past her year of ebita coming out of the best cable operators and charter is...
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but that solution needs to create a business environment that allows businesses to grow because we're only expanding 2% gdp. we need at least 3 1/2, 4% to bring down unemployment. so we are fighting for the soul of america. >> steve: 'cause you need to help the economy and sell cars, too. >> that's an important part, to because next to our homes, the purchases -- it's always a lead indicator. >> gretchen: you would know, and this is why you were invited, because you run ford and you've been very successful at it. by the way, you took no bailout money because you borrowed money before that other fiscal cliff that we went over when the car industry was bailed out. did the president listen to you? >> i think he absolutely did. of course, i would do it again about testifying against my competitors because clearly the united states economy was in a recession and could have gone into a depression. i'm glad we did testify on behalf of our competitors at the time because we were doing the right thing for the u.s. economy. >> brian: as gm begins to boom, are you saying, you wouldn't even exist
but that solution needs to create a business environment that allows businesses to grow because we're only expanding 2% gdp. we need at least 3 1/2, 4% to bring down unemployment. so we are fighting for the soul of america. >> steve: 'cause you need to help the economy and sell cars, too. >> that's an important part, to because next to our homes, the purchases -- it's always a lead indicator. >> gretchen: you would know, and this is why you were invited, because you run ford...
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if you can in this environment, record low interest rates, home values epressed from the recession. buy a house. don't look at the target. you won't make money in the savingsing thes. dividends taxed as regular income. buy a home, something you can use, live in, and sit on. stuart: no dividend to be taxed, and if it's up in value, you don't pay tax until you sell it. ten seconds for the best investment of 20 # 13? >> amazon, other online retailers. i spent black friday in my pajamas at home getting deals,
if you can in this environment, record low interest rates, home values epressed from the recession. buy a house. don't look at the target. you won't make money in the savingsing thes. dividends taxed as regular income. buy a home, something you can use, live in, and sit on. stuart: no dividend to be taxed, and if it's up in value, you don't pay tax until you sell it. ten seconds for the best investment of 20 # 13? >> amazon, other online retailers. i spent black friday in my pajamas at...
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now, the difficulty is you have 70%, three out of four americans who saved it do not have enough for environment. lori: should average investors follow the institutions? >> yeah, you know, one of the things we are seeing is a lot of institutions have held off or have looked at managing risk and mitigating in their own portfolios. you are looking at this longer-term investing. writing to the store. looking at structures that allow you to mitigate risk and have better sleeping at night. you cannot fund a retirement by earning a half of a percent of 1% and a stable money market fund or bond. you will need to take some risk. sure. i was just going to come in with a risk. should i go risk on all the way and really go crazy and put in some, you know -- [talking over each other] >> it all depends on what your circumstances are. if you have some longer-term horizons, you should be looking out what type of risk you can look at in the portfolio. the big dynamic change has been risks moving from i do not want to miss the upside to a game i want to watch and protect my principal. it is about risk budgeting
now, the difficulty is you have 70%, three out of four americans who saved it do not have enough for environment. lori: should average investors follow the institutions? >> yeah, you know, one of the things we are seeing is a lot of institutions have held off or have looked at managing risk and mitigating in their own portfolios. you are looking at this longer-term investing. writing to the store. looking at structures that allow you to mitigate risk and have better sleeping at night. you...